As you all probably know by now, I have a very obsessive personality. I tend to fixate on certain things for medium-length bursts of time, finally neglecting my worn-out toys when shiny new ones come along and take their place. (Don't hate me, Michael Johns.)
If you've been paying attention, you probably already know that my newest obsession is the TV show It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - oddly enough, a show that I practically had to be forced to watch because I had some crazy preconceived notion that it was just another crappy Seinfeld and/or Friends ripoff. It only took about 3 minutes in to the very first episode for me to realize how terribly wrong I was. And now I'm making it up to the show by watching it constantly (on FX, Hulu, DVDs, etc.) and blathering on about it to anyone who will listen.
Recently, I made the bold decision that it is the funniest sitcom ever. Yes, even funnier than Seinfeld. However, as soon as I made that decision, I felt uncomfortable about it because Seinfeld is probably much more clever. Sunny really does rely on R-rated crude humor and absurdity, whereas Seinfeld was all about funny PG-13 observations. For instance, I imagine that if Sunny had an episode like Seinfeld's "The Contest," there would be no "master of your domain" euphemisms. After all, they showed a bum jerking off in an alley in a recent episode. Of course, they didn't show "it," but the scene was so lacking in subtlety that they may as well have. So, on one hand, I have to give it to a show like Seinfeld for being able to hilariously tiptoe around such a raunchy topic. But, on the other hand, the characters on Sunny are more like real people in the way they speak and react, and their total lack of couth or a PC-filter makes them instantly relatable. Does that make them funnier? Uhhhh...I think so. But I'm not sure.
Since I'm still debating with myself over this subject, I figured I would talk to you, dear readers, about it, rather than just hashing it out with the voices in my head. All opinions are welcome.
Like any good obsession, this may be needlessly drawn out and complicated. I had been planning to pit the two shows against each other in a season-by-season smackdown, hoping that it would help me figure out which is the more consistently funny. However, like most of the grandiose blogging ideas I've conjured up when I should be working, that detailed comparison may never actually materialize. Either way, I thought I'd start small, by taking a look at how the respective casts measure up.
According to a recent episode of Sunny, every great gang is made up of three distinct types - the looks, the brains, and the wild card. Then, there is usually a useless chick, a nutjob, and some whipping boys and/or girls. I'll use those categories to start comparing.
So, that's 3 checks for the Seinfeld column and 3 checks for the Sunny column, which means...OH, come on! Dammit! I'm so glad I spent 40 hours writing up this summary (those HTML tables are NOT as easy as they look) to still not find a definitive answer. Great job, me.
Well, whatever. Maybe you fine TV-watching folks can break the tie. But I'm still leaning towards Sunny as my favorite sitcom in the history of history. Maybe it has something to do with scenes like the one below. Thank God for Hulu, because I have watched this episode (The Gang Solves the Gas Crisis) and, specifically, this scene an unhealthy number of times. To set up for anyone who hasn't seen the episode, Dennis, Mac, and Charlie decide to buy a bunch of gasoline so that they can sell it for profit when the prices inevitably rise. This is their attempt to get a bank loan, using their looks, brains, and, uh, wild cardedness.
Of course, Sunny's bar was set with the very first scene from the very first episode, The Gang Gets Racist. This clip shouldn't need much set-up.
And, finally, from Seinfeld, Elaine's aforementioned subway ordeal:
If you've been paying attention, you probably already know that my newest obsession is the TV show It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia - oddly enough, a show that I practically had to be forced to watch because I had some crazy preconceived notion that it was just another crappy Seinfeld and/or Friends ripoff. It only took about 3 minutes in to the very first episode for me to realize how terribly wrong I was. And now I'm making it up to the show by watching it constantly (on FX, Hulu, DVDs, etc.) and blathering on about it to anyone who will listen.
Recently, I made the bold decision that it is the funniest sitcom ever. Yes, even funnier than Seinfeld. However, as soon as I made that decision, I felt uncomfortable about it because Seinfeld is probably much more clever. Sunny really does rely on R-rated crude humor and absurdity, whereas Seinfeld was all about funny PG-13 observations. For instance, I imagine that if Sunny had an episode like Seinfeld's "The Contest," there would be no "master of your domain" euphemisms. After all, they showed a bum jerking off in an alley in a recent episode. Of course, they didn't show "it," but the scene was so lacking in subtlety that they may as well have. So, on one hand, I have to give it to a show like Seinfeld for being able to hilariously tiptoe around such a raunchy topic. But, on the other hand, the characters on Sunny are more like real people in the way they speak and react, and their total lack of couth or a PC-filter makes them instantly relatable. Does that make them funnier? Uhhhh...I think so. But I'm not sure.
Since I'm still debating with myself over this subject, I figured I would talk to you, dear readers, about it, rather than just hashing it out with the voices in my head. All opinions are welcome.
Like any good obsession, this may be needlessly drawn out and complicated. I had been planning to pit the two shows against each other in a season-by-season smackdown, hoping that it would help me figure out which is the more consistently funny. However, like most of the grandiose blogging ideas I've conjured up when I should be working, that detailed comparison may never actually materialize. Either way, I thought I'd start small, by taking a look at how the respective casts measure up.
According to a recent episode of Sunny, every great gang is made up of three distinct types - the looks, the brains, and the wild card. Then, there is usually a useless chick, a nutjob, and some whipping boys and/or girls. I'll use those categories to start comparing.
So, that's 3 checks for the Seinfeld column and 3 checks for the Sunny column, which means...OH, come on! Dammit! I'm so glad I spent 40 hours writing up this summary (those HTML tables are NOT as easy as they look) to still not find a definitive answer. Great job, me.
Well, whatever. Maybe you fine TV-watching folks can break the tie. But I'm still leaning towards Sunny as my favorite sitcom in the history of history. Maybe it has something to do with scenes like the one below. Thank God for Hulu, because I have watched this episode (The Gang Solves the Gas Crisis) and, specifically, this scene an unhealthy number of times. To set up for anyone who hasn't seen the episode, Dennis, Mac, and Charlie decide to buy a bunch of gasoline so that they can sell it for profit when the prices inevitably rise. This is their attempt to get a bank loan, using their looks, brains, and, uh, wild cardedness.
Of course, Sunny's bar was set with the very first scene from the very first episode, The Gang Gets Racist. This clip shouldn't need much set-up.
And, finally, from Seinfeld, Elaine's aforementioned subway ordeal:
Comments
I think Sunny is a hilarious show, and genuinely original, too. But it's just not fair to put it up against Seinfeld. Seinfeld wins handily. I don't think people will be watching reruns of Sunny in 10 years, but people will be watching Seinfeld until the Sun dies.
That dilemma between subtle innuendo humour/observation a la Seinfeld, and in-your-face humour is interesting.
I like the cleverly drawn dance-arounds. Writers in oppressive regimes are very good at this sort of thing. It forces them beyond cliche and into fascinating realms of layered meanings which can be so funny.
But sometimes the in-your-face stuff hits you because it's so honest and real. If you get a chance, check out Trailer Park Boys. It's based on a bunch of rowdies from my hometown of Dartmouth Nova Scotia. Many people believe the depictions are satirical exaggerations. But I know they are absolutely true and honest because I grew up with those people...
I would be interested to see your review on Little Britain in America. HAve you seen that?
I don't know which show I like more, but I'll agree with you that Charlie is one of the best sitcom characters.
I have the boxsets and will rewatch today.
The actor who plays Mac created the show with Charlie and is marrying Sweet Dee also.
JDC
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So that's why Michael DeLuise was lying there on the curbside...
Sunny is the best sitcom ever for all the worst reasons. In that sense, it reminds me a lot of All in the Family.
ABSOLUTELY!
I almost did this week when Cricket asked why Charlie kept spitting in his mouth!
Crude, but amazingly on the button.
My sister STILL hates me for her seeing Devito's ass a few weeks back.
JDC
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I tried to watch Always Sunny at the beginning of the second season and just couldn't get into it. Horrible people being horrible all the time just isn't that funny to me.
So, Seinfeld wins handily in my book...though I wouldn't call that the best comedy ever, either. The UK version of The Office or Roseanne would win that award from me.
The clip of Elaine on the subway, a total classic.
P.S. - Yup, totally loving your new profile picture. :)
Some Guy - I'm glad I got at least ONE person to watch the show, and I'm glad that you love it! Charlie is the best.
GT - I remember you telling me about Trailer Park Boys during our brunch meeting. I will have to keep an eye out for it. Never heard of the other one.
Kat - The table gets you guys every time. Sorry about those videos not being viewable in Canada. Not sure what they have against you Canucks.
Zibbs - You shouldn't really "identify" with the characters, because they're pretty horrible and selfish. But they're still cool enough that you'd wanna hang out with them. At least I would.
Splotchy - I don't trust people who don't like Charlie.
Dale - Next time you come to NYC, we won't go to the top or bottom of any rocks. I'll just bring the Sunny DVDs to your hotel and we'll get blasted and laugh and love. And there will be cheesecake.
JDC - I always feel bad for Charlie in that one! I laugh every time I see it, but then I feel bad for laughing. Also, Rob McElhenny and Kristin Olson got married last month.
Candy - Thanks! And thanks for stopping by. It was an honor to be nominated on your site. I always knew that saying stupid things would pay off one day.
Cormac - PETER. It was PETER DeLuise I was in love with. Sheesh.
JJ - Actually, the part that had me laughing the hardest was when Dennis casually went to his car, came back and switched out the gym trainer's CD for his Steve Winwood disc. That was him at his dick best!
JDC - I never needed to see DeVito's ass either.
CDW - Wow, really? Yeah, I don't know too many people who don't love the Sein.
Bluez - That's a really good one, and features my current favorite quote from the show. Charlie saying, "Oh, dude, there's so much wolf hair in our apartment right now." Out of context it's not that funny, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
Barbara - Maybe they don't like you because you try to spell their name Huuluu?
Red - Oh, you're so wrong. Horrible people being horrible all the time IS funny. As long as they're not being horrible to you. And since it's on TV, they're not, so just enjoy everyone else's fictitious misery.
Alice - If you have to bump another show for Sunny, it'll be worth it, I promise.
Lora - If you have Netflix, you can get seasons 1-3 now, so you should try to get caught up on it.
I may have to check this show out and see what's so great about it.
And so do you for this awesome blog post! you are now on my blogroll, you hilarious person!
"AAAARRRROOOOOGGGGAAAAAHHHHHH!!!"? I just can't say, I'm FUNNY that way. If it makes me laugh, it's funny, that's all I know.